[keeponvaning]

I would think the computer would not be a happy camper

 

[proeddie]

I've looked in my User Guide and Owners Manual... can't find the required tire rotation schedule. Any idea what it is and where to find it?

Sounds like a warranty claim is in order...best wishes!
Ed

... just refreshing my question. What is the required tire rotation schedule?

Ed

 

[makevx73]

... just refreshing my question. What is the required tire rotation schedule?

Ed

Page 363 of Owners Manual:

"At Every Oil Change Interval As Indicated By Oil Change Indicator System:
• Change oil and filter.
• Rotate the tires. Rotate at the first sign of irregu- lar wear, even if it occurs before the oil indicator system turns on."

Page 238:

"TIRE ROTATION RECOMMENDATIONS
The tires on the front and rear of your vehicle operate at different loads and perform different steering, driving, and braking functions. For these reasons, they wear at unequal rates.
These effects can be reduced by timely rotation of tires. The benefits of rotation are especially worthwhile with aggressive tread designs such as those on all season type tires. Rotation will increase tread life, help to maintain mud, snow and wet traction levels, and contribute to a smooth, quiet ride.
Refer to the “Maintenance Schedule” for the proper maintenance intervals. The reasons for any rapid or unusual wear should be corrected prior to rotation being performed.
The suggested rotation method is the “rearward cross” shown in the following diagram. This rotation pattern does not apply to some directional tires that must not be reversed."

The diagram for the "rearward cross" shows; moving the fronts to rear (same side) & moving rears to front (opposite sides)

 

[Kip-on-truckin]

My mechanic recommends 15k for rotation. Im not sure if in going to follow that. It costs me a day of work to have them rotated (not interested in doing it myself). Got into a decent snow storm in cleveland this week, and the tires are the weak link in winter driving it seems. Overall the pm is better than rwd vans, but real snow tires are going to be a must i think.

 

[Dwight]

My mechanic recommends 15k for rotation. Im not sure if in going to follow that. It costs me a day of work to have them rotated (not interested in doing it myself). Got into a decent snow storm in cleveland this week, and the tires are the weak link in winter driving it seems. Overall the pm is better than rwd vans, but real snow tires are going to be a must i think.

My oil change place rotates tires. I get them done together. It's a good oil change place. Run by ex NASCAR mechanic.

 

[jostalli]

One of you might know this: would going to different sized tires front to rear confuse the ABS or the traction control? Just wondering.

Would not be a problem at all. Think about how many cars/trucks you see with wheels, tires, suspension modifications. I plan on running larger all terrain tires before I leave for Mexico next year.

 

[keeponvaning]

But how many of those vehicles have the newer sophisticated computers in them that the new vehicles have?

I could see big problems with ABS, speed sensors, transmission shifting patterns, etc by using different tire sizes front and rear. I'm sure the manufacturer wouldn't approve of the practice and it could potentially void a warrentte claim to boot!

 

[jostalli]

But how many of those vehicles have the newer sophisticated computers in them that the new vehicles have?

I could see big problems with ABS, speed sensors, transmission shifting patterns, etc by using different tire sizes front and rear. I'm sure the manufacturer wouldn't approve of the practice and it could potentially void a warrentte claim to boot!

Are you serious? How about every other brand new Jeep Wrangler you see has a huge lift with massive tires. You can even see brand new Ram trucks lifted with huge tires at the dealerships.

 

[Kip-on-truckin]

We are comparing apples to oranges. Drastically different sized tires all around wouldn't make any difference, except the speedo would read wrong. But different sized front to rear should trip the traction control. The computer would either see the fronts as reading slow, convincing it that the road was slippery and to pull power. Or if the rears were bigger, the computer might think the rear end was in oversteer, and it would also pull power or fire the ABS in the rear.

Granted, you could always turn off the traction control, but I want all the traction I can get. Solution: same sized tires front and rear.

 

[jostalli]

We are comparing apples to oranges. Drastically different sized tires all around wouldn't make any difference, except the speedo would read wrong. But different sized front to rear should trip the traction control. The computer would either see the fronts as reading slow, convincing it that the road was slippery and to pull power. Or if the rears were bigger, the computer might think the rear end was in oversteer, and it would also pull power or fire the ABS in the rear.

Granted, you could always turn off the traction control, but I want all the traction I can get. Solution: same sized tires front and rear.

Ah! That's what you were talking about? Different sized tires in the front than the rear?? Wow, I totally missed that. Probably because nobody does it.

 

[keeponvaning]

I've seen a few nuts do it on older junkers.

 

[pblue]

Promaster 2500 159wb, 99% highway driving, loads from 300 to 3600 lbs. I got 119,000 on the front tires, and just changed the rear OEM Continental Vancos at 141,000 miles. Rotations every 15,000 miles.

Since the Promaster is front wheel drive, the front is carrying 3000 pounds, so the front tires wear faster--you definitely need to rotate the tires to get maximum life.

 

[pblue]

I replaced the Continental oem tires with a generic Walmart brand, 115 load index. I initially went to the dealer and ordered the Nexen Rodian because the Mopar parts system showed these to have a 121 load index. But when the tires arrived, I checked the sidewall, and it was a 115. The Walmart tires are $90 each, a lot cheaper than the Nexen tires.

 

[Poppa53]

Tire-d

I bought my new PM 3500ext on jan 13. Since then I have driven 5 other new PM's, while mine was in the shop for 70 days! I noticed the Vanco equipped PM ride like crap, and all have a speed sensitive vibration. The one that had Nexen's rode like a dream. It felt a lot like the Michelin LTX2's I always run. I drive 50-60k a year, combined, and have weeded out most of the other brands.
Mich's win, best ride, best handling and if rotated frequently, I have used 5k, I routinely have gotten over 100k on each set. My son got almost 200k on a Land Cruiser. I will be picking up my new PM(gasser) soon, and I hope it comes with the Nexen's. If not, I'll prob sell the Vanco's and but the Mich's.

 

[Dwight]

I bought my new PM 3500ext on jan 13. Since then I have driven 5 other new PM's, while mine was in the shop for 70 days! I noticed the Vanco equipped PM ride like crap, and all have a speed sensitive vibration. The one that had Nexen's rode like a dream. It felt a lot like the Michelin LTX2's I always run. I drive 50-60k a year, combined, and have weeded out most of the other brands.
Mich's win, best ride, best handling and if rotated frequently, I have used 5k, I routinely have gotten over 100k on each set. My son got almost 200k on a Land Cruiser. I will be picking up my new PM(gasser) soon, and I hope it comes with the Nexen's. If not, I'll prob sell the Vanco's and but the Mich's.

Wow, excellent news. I'm also a big fan of the Michelin LTX. I'm wearing my Vancos out quick. My jack rabbit starts burned through half the tread in 12,000 miles on the fronts.

I'll be sure to burn them up even quicker now >

 

[promasterplumber]

I got 29000 miles out of Continentals. I just got a set of Michelin LTX MS2 tires today. I will see how they work this winter and how many miles I will get.

 

[keeponvaning]

At 30K miles my Vanco's are more than half worn. I've rotated them (all 5) every 10K miles. I would never replace them with the same tire!

 

[Poppa53]

Picked up my 2016 PM last week, replacement. It did come with the Nexen's. I also got the hardwood floor and wall liners. It is AMAZINGLY quiet. It rides way better than my 14 PM. Looking forward to starting my upgrades.
Will post pics, when I have something to show!

 

[promasterplumber]

What tire pressure should I run. I use 65 psi. front 72 psi. rear. PM weight 8000 plus pounds all the time.

 

[RDinNHandAZ]

I'd say you are just right. For no load I think 60+ both front and back but you must have 2500 lbs. loaded up.