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Holy roof penetrations, Batman: Mike Patey does a van

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#1 ·
Well, I've never seen a van build like this:


He has a lot of idea about insulation.

We are trying to minimize roof penetrations. Meanwhile, Mike Patey:

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The van is his "starter" conversion, then a helicopter, then an Albatross:

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I will easily admit being jealous of a #vanlife converted seaplane.
 
#4 ·
This is a fascinating conversion and the guy is clearly smart. But there are a few huge problems here.

Roof penetrations, as you pointed out. That many roof penetrations, plus the shifting shape of the very thin steel roof when he walks on it and drives it off-road... yikes. Adhesives, or seals in general, need a rigid backing that does not change shape. There's a finite life on that roof and it will not be pretty when it's time to fix the leaks.

The overall design is pretty reliant on a lot of adhesives, tape, buried components, etc. This guarantees that if you do have a problem, you won't be able to fix it easily, and if there's a water spill or a leak (from the roof with a million holes...) good luck.

The "huge aluminum subframe" is an entirely flawed design. A floor assembly that is mostly XPS foam (0.028 W/mK) with a horizontal cross-section of even 5% aluminum (~120-240 W/mK) is on the order of 10 W/mK, or in other words, essentially as "insulating" as a block of stainless steel. His floor will suck huge amounts of heat out of his van.

I may be wrong, but I seem to remember aluminum and stainless steel in contact. This is going to cause horrible galvanic corrosion.

That said... it's easy to point fingers from an armchair, and my own build has real flaws too. I made the same mistakes about buried components and adhesives which I criticize now. Plus, his overall build quality and thought put into things is a hell of a lot higher than the average Youtube build.
 
#12 ·
A lot going on there, and I have many thoughts, but I'll only leave a comment on one ...

Dude is an aviation engineer, and doesn't like that the roof flexes when he walks on it. Instead of reinforcing the crap out of it, why not just stencil "NO STEP" around the edges ... problem solved!
 
#17 ·
. . . roof penetrations, plus the shifting shape of the very thin steel roof . . .
Thinking of the roof penetrations, I wonder if he used a fabric?


If that was part of the lay-up I would be much less freaked out by any vibration or twisting breaking the seal around the many rivets.

. . . remember aluminum and stainless steel in contact. This is going to cause horrible galvanic corrosion. . . .
Yes. He has worried a lot about sealing both he inside and outside, plus he is in Utah (dry) and wants to do "fourteeners" which would also be dry so maybe he can get away with it.

My guess is that he will get some corrosion at some point. But vehicles do not last that long and he is in a dry climate so maybe not.

. . . Clecos hanging on that van roof? @RV8R is probably having a mind orgasm.
It is a long series, but he makes an incredible slatted wing for "Scrappy":


He is quite well known in experimental aviation for making some incredible airplanes.