With 400 miles of range on $6 of electricity who wouldn't love it! But my old Promaster with a Colorado camper van now must go. Cheap.
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I switched to a Brightdrop Zevo 600 electric van
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Except for the entire floor in front of the wheel wells being battery. Makes mounting a seat difficult. Installing a 3 point folding Freedman seat next week.
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Must be quite a battery pack - was surprised to see gross weight of 10K lbs with cargo weight of just 1800 lbs, while my short ~4600 lb 118" PM can carry about 4000 lbs. Although interior volume is large on the BD 600, anyone using these for RV purposes will have to be very careful what materials are used for conversion to keep weight down.
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I am “Pro” “Free Speech”
What that means to me is protecting the right of people I disagree with to speak (or this case post).
As it is easy to protect the right of speech for those that are in your camp.
I think “pigeonholing” Members here is unfair, & especially if you do not really know them “In Person”. It is the internet after all & if you have strong emotions about an internet personality, that says more about yourself then them. Forgive my assumptions if @rjcarter3 & @Bromaster5 are actually long term personal friends of yours that you know intimately.
Where would we be in this world if not for differences & different opinions.
Thanks aFox, I wil respect everyone unless given a reason not to and even then I will be temperate. I have a thick skin, interesting perspective and reasonably clear expression.
My motive is ecological but my argument is practical. EVs are the future. They are sooo cheap to operate and they last almost forever. Once you drive one it's really hard to go back to ICE. My ZEVO is AWD, handles like a car and has 342HP on each axle. Fun. Fun. Fun.
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There is a lot of information on the internet ,,, some of it is fact, some of it is opinion, some of it is truth;
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I truly do not know what to believe. I figure the truth is probably somewhere between the 2 extreme perspectives.
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I truly do not know what to believe. I figure the truth is probably somewhere between the 2 extreme perspectives.
“What’s Up”
Bromaster. Try it. You'll like it. Keep your ICE for road trips. But at-home charging is da bomb. A dryer outlet, 50 amp extension cord and an $80 refurbed charger from Amazon. It takes 5 seconds to plug in at night and unplug in the morning. Every morning your tank has 200-300 miles and it cost $5-10. Being a late adapter is just impractical.
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USA Electrical Generation;
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www.eia.gov
2022; 59.3% of electricity was created by “Coal & Natural Gas”, which is better than the EPA’s 2016 outdated graph;
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www.epa.gov
I assume You can “Trust” these 2 websites to tell us the “Truth” ?
You would think the “EPA” would agjust their website from 2016 data 🤷♂️?
Electricity in the U.S. - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
The major fuel/energy sources and their contribution to annual U.S. electricity generation.
2022; 59.3% of electricity was created by “Coal & Natural Gas”, which is better than the EPA’s 2016 outdated graph;
About the U.S. Electricity System and its Impact on the Environment | US EPA
Overview of the U.S. electric grid, with links to more information about each of the component parts. It also introduces the environmental impacts of electricity generation, delivery, and use.
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I assume You can “Trust” these 2 websites to tell us the “Truth” ?
You would think the “EPA” would agjust their website from 2016 data 🤷♂️?
Black Pearl I got some good news for you. For EVs in Alaska a kWh is a nickel. Cut you last cost estimate by 80%. It's starting to look more practical, isn't it?
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Ya ,,, I don’t know @JohnForde
I have almost lived 60 years in Canada ,,, The older I get the least trusting I am of all Governments ( & it does not really matter the brand name on the throne ).
Things change, policies & laws change, science changes, people @ the helm change
If you are buying an EV to save money & your own selfish reasons ,,, that is why I would buy one BWT, then “Good On Ya” I say 👍 ,,, Place Yer Bet & Take Yer Chances. If You are buying one to be a Earth Saving Saint 🧐, forgive my skepticisms.
I’m not Anti EV ,,, I am just not convinced with the Governments of the World & how they operate that we are not being lied to.
My wife rode her EV ,,, ebike to work tonight & I think that is probably pretty good environmental ,,, but in BC our Provincial owned Electric Company is named BC Hydro for a reason ,,, not BC “Coal”.
That being said, I see huge train loads of coal in my area getting dumped at the port & I am pretty sure it is going to China & other places.
We had to do “LEADS” green audits in the Construction Industry on commercial “Green” builds ,,, trace back something like “flyash” content in concrete & all the “carbon” that gets used to get that flyash into the concrete ,,, sometimes things look good until you dig deep & there you are in a smelly hole. “It is Green” ,,, Is It?
25 Years Ago BC Ferry Fast Cat Fiasco ,,, Wonder What that Cost the Planet in Carbon ??
RV8R I respect your skepticism. I am trying to be both practical and ecological. Not a saint, just less dirty and less wasteful than I used to be. Think of EVs this way: A gas engine is only 25-30% efficient because it throws away 3/4 of it''s energy in the form of waste heat through the radiator. That is way better than a steam engine (5% of potential energy becomes kinetic energy). But it is way less than electricity which is the 90%+ efficient. You be glad you left the steam and gas engines behind.
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Thanks @JohnForde
My skepticism is all around humans & finding the truth. I agree 100% with your energy type & efficiencies as you stated.
The problem with your statement is it is only 1 small part of the picture ( that was my reference to flyash in concrete ).
You have to get right down the entire rabbit hole ,,, the efficiency of the electrical energy in your battery of your van is 90%, but that energy came from somewhere before it was electricity. Your example is way too close to the surface.
IIRC In high school Science class “almost all energy” on Earth was provided to us by “The Sun”. If the electricity just one step back was generated by say “coal” & so on ,,, what does that do to your 90% efficiency??
I am neither a Pessimist nor an Optimist ,,, Life has shaped me into a Realist looking for the truth. I do not know that EVs are all that “Green” ,,, “They” say they are ,,, Are “They” trustworthy ?
I do know this to be true ,,, In Canada we are getting hit hard with “Carbon Tax”. Our Federal Government did a witch hunt of the Big Grocery Companies ,,, From what I watched These Companies stopped short of explaining there is oil, diesel, gasoline, & other energies in food ,,, How much oil is in an apple? Weird how increased taxes contribute to inflation ,,, it was “egg on face” Grocery Industry Comedy Witch Hunt ,,, I bet the “Feds” once part way into the Spanish Inquisition were sorry they dreamed up that BS Propaganda ,,, “Some Groceries are Green” ,,, peas, lettuce, etc ,,, but just in colour.
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I am trying to be both practical and ecological. Not a saint, just less dirty and less wasteful than I used to be.
That is good ,,, We all should be 👍
So I very much respect @GaryBIS ,,, The Man has heart & is “Top Shelf” in my opinion.
Somewhere in the Promaster Catacombs is a conversation Gary & I had regarding XPS & Polyiso for the floor. One benefit Gary stated about the Polyiso is the “Greener” manufacturing process ,,, which I agree it is. My point is this, in his post while he was pecking it out “probably knowing he was about to get RV8Rs hairy eyeball”, he pondered his own hypocrisy and called himself out on it, & then posted it for all to see.
Something to the words of about 85 square feet & the hypocrisy of driving around North America in a ICE van (no not Banff - gasoline) ,,, something to the effect the greener thing would be to have no van.
So ,,, I am being ecological as I have an EV Van or I am being ecological as I have no van ,,, mean different things to me.
There are many reasons I respect @GaryBIS ,,, but having the for thought & ability to look in the mirror amongst such thoughts of green are near the top of my list.
@JohnForde ,,, I commend you on your practicality & if the EV Van works for you - Perfect 👍
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Fox,
I am unaware of my user settings doing as you claim. I also have no issue with a vehicle getting better than 20 mpg, and my pre-owned lesbian edition Subaru Outback gets 30 mpg and its generally quite useful. As far as your name calling, hair pulling, and generalizing complete strangers into some bunch of hating bigots, Bring it on, Bud. PM me if you'd like to challenge me to a slapping contest, my treat. Happy Halloween.
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