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As I have said in the past there is a good reason the forum is restricted to Promaster content. I’m just about ready to close all these virus threads because there is nothing in them that isn’t available 24/7 on the boo tube or other forums that are set up for these kinds of discussions.

i doubt many people come to the Promaster Forum for health information, let alone political or religious enlightenment and that is the way it should be!

Good luck with your m8 bolts - I found mine at a Lowe’s but only with hex heads. I ended up recessing the heads with a 1" forstner bit and a plastic cap to cover the hole For now.
Hi KOV,
I've found the discussions of van travel while the Covid thing is going on to be helpful deciding whether we should venture out in our van or not.

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For the latest unbiased counts from all over the World on Corvid-19 see:
It does take a large number to have statistically meaningful results of course. If the first confirmed case dies that’s 100% but statistically meaningless of course.
Today’s BC Count - Way Better Picture “Statistics” than previous 67% ,,, currently 11.5% & I assume still a very skewed statistic knowing that many of the 13 deaths were elderly in care homes







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Hi KOV,
I've found the discussions of van travel while the Covid thing is going on to be helpful deciding whether we should venture out in our van or not.

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Gary that is the main reason I keep them going.
 

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Many campgrounds are closed or have decreased the number of available spots considerably to maintain social distance between 'rigs' (which I guess could get sick ;)). Even state parks and BLM lands I gather may have closures - in case campers get sick and have to use their very limited medical facilities. Smaller towns where you may want to buy groceries may not be so happy to see transients buying up their probably limited supplies.

I've heard that it is not safe or a good idea right now to 'camp' overnight at some places people often use for 'boondocking' - Walmart (because of testing facilities set up, and many which were 24 hour facilities no longer are), Cracker Barrel (probably closed), Cabela's/Bass etc. Rest areas may likewise be closed. State or city borders/boundaries may be shut down at times if necessary (except perhaps to trucks and, one hopes, people who can prove they are 'through traffic'). I'm not sure even motels will be open in some places soon.

Big bonus though ... gas is cheap right now (even if most of us are not going to need much because we can't go anywhere).

I'm sure trips can be made if you are well prepared, self-contained (toilet, a way to clean yourself, food) and just have to buy gas. Not always the most pleasant way to travel but if you have to get somewhere you will probably be ok. I would not attempt a 'vacation' trip though till things clear up a bit, unless your intent is just to boondock far from any madding crowd. All non-essential travel is being discouraged. The only way to kick this thing back to a dull roar imho is to heed the advice of the authorities and stay put.

I'm hanging back from going northeast myself back to Canada for a while (even though I ALWAYS avoid going through the NYC vicinity). I could probably do it - and I am not self-contained as yet because of course I can't buy the PM I wanted - and even get through the border but I'm going to wait to see what happens and just go with that flow as I am not a spring chicken. I also don't want to put anyone else at risk. We'll know soon enough what the trend will be I imagine and then I will plan accordingly. I suspect all my plans for this summer will just be scratched but I still have hope things will improve.

Just fyi - I heard somewhere yesterday that there are 1 million full time rv'ers in the USA right now (which of course includes everything from diy campervans like PMs/Transit/Sprinters etc to class b/b+, c and a rigs, 5th wheels, trailers) .. all of whom will need a spot at the same time that there are fewer spots to park than ever before. I gather there are 19 million more who are part time, which could still mean most of the year they are on the road or as little as a couple of weekends a year.
 

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Last night’s news had a piece on several National Parks closing. Not all but some big ones. Yellowstone, Grand Teton and Great Smoky Mountains at least.
 

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Well said Deryn !!

Lots of Great points

The best fight against this virus is isolation. Non-essential travel @ this point is reckless, so we have decided to hang out @ home.

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New York City won't close its borders until all the retired snowbirds finish driving back up I-95 to get home to NYC. We completed a 1700 mile road trip in the van last week to fetch family belongings from FL. Stayed isolated in the van for the trip (The solar powered fridge and freezer were terrific to carry our own food) and then at her Moms old house. Doggie poo bags are perfect for your hands to avoid dirty gas pump handles! We saw I-95N choked with black Mercedes SUVs with NY plates. Heading south was no issue. But coming home we stuck to back roads to avoid the new yorkers. With our PM pulling a single axle 6x10 enclosed trailer, it got 16 mpg empty heading south on interstates and got well over 17 mpg heading home on two lane roads loaded up and going just 55 mph. I will say I was impressed at how the PM handled a loaded trailer. Very stable pulling along with the FWD. That was our longest haul pulling the trailer to date. PM ran like a top for the whole trip.
 

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Things are changing day by day so keep checking whatever online resources you can find. I know a lot of parks/public campgrounds are shut here in NC and surrounding states. There may be private campgrounds (many KOAs are still open I think) though - where they have year round residents particularly - still keeping at least some spots available even if they have shut down their public gathering spots, etc.






Another place some like to stop en route - casinos: many are shut down and that means their parking/camping facilities are currently off limits too.

Also, with so many forced to stay home - homeschooling/working remotely, etc. - wifi hotspots you need en route to check out a myriad of things or to talk to family so you know you are all safe, etc. and internet connectivity in general (which you may want for entertainment while shut into your vans at night for instance) may be more difficult to access than usual.

The earliest cases in WNC appear to have been from people travelling through the area, including more than one traveller from New York. A few days ago we didn't have many cases in the whole state but today there are over 500 and a couple of deaths (supposedly associated with the C-virus) and, as a result, we are all subject to more and more restrictions as each day passes. That's annoying, friends. Stay home if you possibly can right now, especially if you live in a hotspot. Let's get this under control - and also hopefully find a way to treat those cases that linger - and then we can travel again.

Use this time to work on building or upgrading your PM for later travel. While doing that, consider that 'emergencies' like this could happen any time you are on the road and figure out storage places you can use for extra food - particularly freeze dried which won't be affected by weather/temp/humidity changes (and is very light) and can be left in the vehicle year round, for many years if necessary.

If you have to travel, check out remote backroads for stopping spots. iOverlander may be one of the best resources to help you there. I'm thrilled some of you managed to get where you wanted/needed to go safely but what is the case today may not be the case tomorrow.

Ok .. done with the PSAs. Happy travels (now or postponed) everyone!
 

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Stay home! It is irresponsible to travel now.
 

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I am about a month from traveling across the country. Friends w/o a van have just done this and other couple will soon. I feel the van is a great asset in maintaining separation. The first couple above traveled in their pickup, stayed in motels, ate mostly their own food but purchased some food from deli’s at fuel stops. The second couple are older nearer 80 and travel in a car. They plan to stay at motels and buy food but don’t have a way to carry much of their own. Contrast that to our own plan. We will take and cook our own food and eat in the van. We will stop for gas, use the bathrooms and have soap and water and perhaps some sanitizer in our van. We will sleep in our van, stay at open State and National campgrounds where we can and stay at parking lots otherwise. Our dog needs a long walk and excersise generally so we will find empty parks, trails or neighborhoods to do that. I beieve we are much less likely to exchange Corvid-19 virus than either of those couples. In a way the van is protection. If we do get sick we will follow the CDC and NIH guidelines for treatment and travel to a hospital if we must. Testing might be an obstacle as many States are testing their own. Ms RD is no longer driving so reliance on me being well is a factor.
Future threats may be more or less problematic depending on the means of transmission. I respect all possible infections but would generally feel gastro-intestinal ones would be much more difficult considering the limited bathroom facilities in most DIY vans. If I were suffering that I would rent a room to vomit or have dysentery in so facilities to shower, lie down and get back to the bathroom fast were at hand. I have often said the two most important modern inventions are the refrigerator and the flush toilet.
Personally, being a retired medical professional with some Infectious Disease and Infection Control experience it is in the best interest of the country and you and your facmily to stay home. There you have support, hopefully some medical contacts like your doctors, your public health departments. Many RV parks and state parks are closed to parking. Where are you going to dump your toilet? Covid 19 is found in stool, who’s to say the person dumping before or after you aren’t infected or at high risk of being. If you have a home stay in it. If you are sick and go to a motel, you are exposing the workers cleaning up after you. Be responsible and respectful. Every time you go to a mini mart, deli or stop for gas there is the ability for transmission. The more people on the move, the longer it will take to flatten the curve. Just think about it. Do the right thing.
 

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While I don't think it's "irresponsible" to travel now. As, if your not sick, nore at a health risk (age/underlying medical issue). Also, if you don't join large groups of people, wash hands, keep social distance...etc...etc...

My van is my home... I started out in Washington, and drove all the way down 101 ~ 1 ... I'm from hawaii. Planes all shut down now, now, I am Yuma Arizona, warm now.. the plan was to go through utah, texas, louisiana, to florida... all going to museums, a long life road trip... So... I'm kinda like 1/4 done....

At lot of full time RV people I talk with are telling me to go do it... while my thoughts, are... if I can't visit the parks, the museums, the good restaurants, and attractions... what is the point driving around closed down towns. wondering...what restrictions might be, from state to state.

If I had 10 or so vans to travel with... I think I might be ok with it, but for now, I'm thinking of renting out a room or a condo.... for a few months, the problem is........... how long is the really going to last? Bad timing on my part. So...waiting it out is kinda of a bummer...

Some people really are in their homes on wheels with nowhere to go, as I know some people.......... that have sold everything and moved into a van to go travel for a few years or forever. I don't mind living in a van, but I have no AC/Heat in my van, I do have a toilet, kitchen.... very nice bed, solar, fridge, and was really thinking of boondocking in quartzville... just don't want to be..... miserable, stuck in a desert with high heat....

Everyone's situation is different, and maybe... should have figured out a place to store the van and fly back to hawaii, but too late now! SO NOW WHAT DO I DO? LOL!

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Thank for your concern Rivermom. Let me open your eyes to a bit of the reality. I live in a small town of 3000 in SW Arizona where there is only a day clinic staffed for 8 hours 5 days a week, no respirator, one doctor, no beds. If this town gets hit with 2 or 3 cases they are going to ask us to stay in place until we need serious care and then it is at least 2 hours by ambulance to the nearest hospital in Phoenix which will be overrun with serious cases and we will not get care. If I leave as many others with homes away are doing then the locals and border patrol agents have a better chance of living. I have no reason to dump my porta-pottee for the 5 days driving back. I have no need to go into any mini mart, I have no plan to stay at any RV park, I have no plan to stay at State or Federal campsites now that they are all closing. I am no different than those thousands of people trying to return home from other countries. You would not ask them to stay abroad would you? It is easy to make blanket statements until you weigh the choices. I would try to use a bathroom in a store like Walmart once a day just as many other people are doing while trying to get enough food to carry on. I will not need to shop. I am reasonably well contained in my van. I have several N-95 respirator masks and can use them in the store. I am not uncareing nor do I want to be a spreader or get infected. I have to make a hard decision. I am not going for a fun camping trip. UNDERSTAND please.
 

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Coming home we had trouble finding food. Gas stations had tons of junk food, but nothing that would make a healthy turd. Dinner on the way home wound up being slices of lunch meat we took in the fridge, no bread and a slab of home made banana nut bread that we took with us. And your PM, if its a hi top, can't pull up to most drive thrus even if they are open.
 

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I find this whole situation fascinating.
I don't remember anyone concerned about infecting and killing our elderly and immune compromised between 0ct '19 and the beginning of March '20,....while we were in full-on flu season and it was hospitalizing 100s of thousands and killing 10s of thousands. Mainly the elderly and immune compromised. Including infants.
Where was the caution? The hysteria? People being called irresponsible? Did we not care about saving just one elderly citizen 3 months ago?
3 months ago, we didn't have to be careful and it was acceptable and normal if an 80 yr old in a nursing home caught the flu and died of lung complications?
I get being scared of something new, but this is now beyond ridiculous.
Guess what our county exec said on the news today,....
NYS is tracking everyone on their phone to see if we're staying home.
He was bragging that our county was doing well.
Not a conspiracy. They said it, out loud, as if it was okay. I didn't give Google or NY permission to do that.
I won't continue to rant. But every aspect of this situation is absurd.
 

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I am about a month from traveling across the country. Friends w/o a van have just done this and other couple will soon. I feel the van is a great asset in maintaining separation. The first couple above traveled in their pickup, stayed in motels, ate mostly their own food but purchased some food from deli’s at fuel stops. The second couple are older nearer 80 and travel in a car. They plan to stay at motels and buy food but don’t have a way to carry much of their own. Contrast that to our own plan. We will take and cook our own food and eat in the van. We will stop for gas, use the bathrooms and have soap and water and perhaps some sanitizer in our van. We will sleep in our van, stay at open State and National campgrounds where we can and stay at parking lots otherwise. Our dog needs a long walk and excersise generally so we will find empty parks, trails or neighborhoods to do that. I beieve we are much less likely to exchange Corvid-19 virus than either of those couples. In a way the van is protection. If we do get sick we will follow the CDC and NIH guidelines for treatment and travel to a hospital if we must. Testing might be an obstacle as many States are testing their own. Ms RD is no longer driving so reliance on me being well is a factor.
Future threats may be more or less problematic depending on the means of transmission. I respect all possible infections but would generally feel gastro-intestinal ones would be much more difficult considering the limited bathroom facilities in most DIY vans. If I were suffering that I would rent a room to vomit or have dysentery in so facilities to shower, lie down and get back to the bathroom fast were at hand. I have often said the two most important modern inventions are the refrigerator and the flush toilet.
I just got back from a whilwind tour of NM Utah Arizona Idaho and California.National Parks may be closed .In Death Valley N.P. their campgrounds were closed some N.P.s allow dispersed camping tho .Most if not all Ranger stations are closed in National Forests and National monuments.Good Luck if you lower your expectations youll do fine.
 

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My wife and I are currently living out of our van on the road and have been for almost a year. Note we are already on the road with limited options of going anywhere else. Our electrical design has been sufficient, we have a propane heater & stove, and a fridge. I would consider both of us fairly low maintenance. Some of the suggestions below may be something to consider Corvid-19 or not.

Food: We had extra space in the back for an extra large Tupperware container that we filled with extra food to extend times between the store. We used to stop at least twice a week, we are now shooting for 1.5 to 2 weeks between grocery stops. We are also trying to be strategic as to where we stop.

Bathroom: Previously we used coffee shops while working, gas stations, campgrounds if we were staying at them, grocery stores, etc. We would generally try to hold the serious business off for actual facilities unless we are camping deeper in the woods at which case we would dig cat holes. Now: All shops are closed, and the ones that are open we are trying to avoid as much as possible. We have a bucket toilet with a lid that we keep in the van for emergencies. When appropriate we still use cat holes, if not and it is not a very public place the bucket can be used outside, if we are in public it is used inside while the other goes on a walk. In the last week I have thought many times that I might should have forked over more money for a nicer more permanent toilet set up.

Work: We both do part time work remotely. Previously we would stop in to coffee shops almost every day to spend a few hours using their internet, tables, charge our laptops to minimize battery use in the van, and to enjoy some coffee. NOW: The restaurants and coffee shops are closed. Last summer when we got on the road we already set our phone plans to unlimited data as to make sure that didn't inhibit work. We already have a desk set up behind the drivers seat that can be used when the seats swivel around. The bed can be put into futon mode which can also be an ok work place but not the best. I wish I would have already fabricated a desk to use behind the passenger seat to use as well. At the moment we both still have our jobs...

Water: We use a six gallon tank with the sink and another one for gray water. We usually carry several more gallon jugs of fresh water as well. We can usually go 3 to 6 days depending on what we are doing between fill ups. In the summer months filling this up isn't a problem, winter has been harder. Now this is more difficult as we are trying to minimize stops. I have a 21 gallon tank in the back, just need to finish hooking that up at which point we could probably go much longer.

Propane: We use a 20 lb tank in a vented locker, this runs our stove and our Propex HS2800 heater. This winter we have been re-filling roughly every 5 to 7 days depending on how much we run the heater. We have a very warm blanket, so we try to minimize how much we use the heater. Now we are trying to run the heater less as to try and minimize times between re-filling propane tanks. We considered getting a second tank and find a place to stash it in the back but it would not be in a sealed locker, so we haven't done this yet.

Showers: We do not currently have a shower set up in the van. We used to stop by friends houses, make friends, pay to camp (in summer months), pretty much went for a swim every day sometimes in very cold water (summer months), or use gyms. A project on my list before this summer is to install a tankless water heater and use that for outdoor showers out the back. Even if that was installed now, we wouldn't be using it as it is still to cold and snowy where we are. That being said we don't sweat or get nearly as dirty in the winter, so we are both probably to comfortable going several days or more without showers. A few weeks from now once it warms up the outdoor shower would (and hopefully will) be nice.

Travel: It sounds like you are still a few months out. If that is the case get as much done as you can now, and hopefully it will settle down before you leave. If not as others have suggested it may be best to stay at home. Being on the road right now is possibly more nerve wrecking than being at home. Things are changing every day, its hard to say what will and wont be locked down and when, trying to keep up with what is going on where you are, and where you may want to go, so that definitely takes a lot of the fun out of it.

I hope this helps,
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Very informative post from the "front lines." Thank you.

You may be interested in my shower water setup which uses a Sous Vide. (See my signature.) Very inexpensive and easy to set up, water at the precise temperature you set with no wastage. We use it regularly on the road.
 

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If you stop at a major truck stop - Pilot / flying J... They are open and have food, not the best food, but pretty decent food. With all of the over the road truckers operating our there, that part of things is pretty normal. There are folks out there with legitimate need to travel - it is ok if done responsibly with minimum contact and good hygiene and so on. MN will go into a shelter in place directive starting Friday, other states have gone there too. We will all get through this, calm rational behavior is the way to go.
 
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