Thanks but I borrow most of them from others! I'm fortunate in that I can look at a photo of something and then just go and recreate it myself - sometimes better, sometimes not.KOV always gots the best ideas. But I stooped in my Econoline for almost 30 years. Got the 118 and still amazed at the volume over the E. The headliner and floor to be added will make me scrunch a skoch . At least in the PM the dome light won't scalp me like in the old E. I admire the full size PMs but I'm happy with the 118" . And if I can get MM to finish it . . . . .