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Some here have said they want to wait for the new front end that Europe is getting on the Fiat. I saw this today on the ClassB forum. The thread is discussing the new Promaster Hymer conversion being shown at the Tampa RV show. I'm just pointing out that this was said--I have no idea whether it is true:

"Chrysler told Hymer as long as the Pentastar V6 is used, the ProMaster will not get the new Fiat nose treatment due to engine dimensions."

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Is the new nose shorter so that the radiator won't fit?

It has to be something down low. The engine is not even close to the hood.
 

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I spoke to a dealer last week who was a commercial vehicle specialist, he seemed to know his stuff about the PM, was upfront about some of the problems. When I asked about the new front end he said no major updates were planned until the 2017 model.
 

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I saw the same post on the B forum. Who knows? I sure like the looks of both those Hymers with the current front fascia as is
 

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C'mon where's all the "I'm not buying it until next year when it's been updated" people now? They sure were vocal when the pics. of the new Ducato came out. I might have my PM long enough to trade it in by the time the updated version is available. I plan on keeping it at least five years.
 

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In my opinion there is nothing changed from old to the new except the looks.
Hood pivot points are out more, the head lights are a little lower from the top and
wider. The grill and bumper are different. Dimensions are the same.
There is a lot of space in the old. So it will be the same on the new.
 

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That's an awesome picture, uncubed!

But back to whether we'll get the new front end, think of it like this: when the Ducato was developed ten years ago, it was designed to accommodate a series of inline-four diesel engines. Chrysler was still owned by Daimler, so they sold Sprinters here, and the Pentastar engine didn't exist yet.

Fast forward a few years, Fiat takes control of a bankrupt Chrysler, and decides they should sell the Ducato in America. Realizing that not all Americans will accept diesels as the Europeans have, the decide they needed to offer a gasoline engine. Somehow a group of engineers takes the new award-winning V6 Pentastar engine, "makes it fit" in the Ducato, and calls it a ProMaster for North America.

My point is that I can't believe the Pentastar doesn't fit with the new front end. Maybe they want the "word on the street" to be that they're not going to do it, while they secretly work on doing it, just to prevent the "I'm waiting for the new front end" mentality from hurting current sales. If they don't do it, other reasons are behind it. Perhaps since the ProMaster is new to America, someone has argued it doesn't need an update as the Ducato did. Or maybe they want to get some return on investment of some tooling. By the way, don't think that someone claiming that they "know" a new or revised model isn't coming soon is limited to an OEM. If you were an RV converter, and had a $100k rig sitting on your lot, would you like a potential customer to believe that a revised chassis was coming out soon?

I'll stand on I'm not buying one until the new front end gets here. It's so my better looking than the current one that it'll be worth the wait (as long as my Econoline keeps running, that is).
 

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The "return on investment" idea seems the most likely to me. It is rare that manufacturers make more than subtle tweaks between major upgrades. A 3 year model run (2014-16), for a lower volume vehicle sounds about right IMO. For what it's worth I think the new front is a huge improvement, but would also like to see other changes like a proper tilting & telescoping wheel, & much better (lower) seat height for taller drivers. I also suspect the 2017 model would have updated V6 changes, like direct injection, & the 9 spd. transmission.
 

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I really don't know what all the fuss is about. I mean, yeah, it's not the nicest looking vehicle but, it's like I have always said, function over form who cares what it looks like as long as it performs as/or above expectations. Don't yell at me!
 

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It could be they are going to make it a RAM front end... wouldn't this take longer?

Scary ain't it??
 

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It appears to be about 2 to 3 inches longer.
I pasted a 2015 red Ducato to a 2014 PM then erased all of the Ducato except the front
nose in this picture.
No room for a V6? Don't think so!
 

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Dwight, I think different people wait for different reasons. For me the new nose looks better but the old looks fine too when painted body color.

I'm personally waiting to see what RV manufacturers can do with PM. And would also like to see a higher Gross Combined Weight Rating for the gasoline engine vans. These vans can be set up for many to travel comfortably, or for a couple to camp when alone. But it's too small for camping with more than two, plus maybe two children. Hence my preference to occasionally tow a small trailer with a loaded down Class B. Right now many Class Bs are limited to about a 2,000- to 2,500-pound trailer to stay below GCWR.

For me RV decisions are also tougher than a work van due to much higher cost and much higher depreciation if you don't get it right. It's not quite as easy to trade for the next model.
 

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I think we don't need to wait too long to see the new version in the Usa. Considering that all the parts come from the Sevel plant in Italy, I don't think they will keep in production two different styles also considering that the Promaster/Ducato/Boxer/Jumper has to be as standardized as possible to be profitable for both FCA and PSA groups.
 

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I hope Vale is correct. FCA's last shareholder meeting stressed commonization, is one big reason to have one front end world wide.

Another big reason is the Ford Transit.

FCA was racing to get to market before the full size Transit came into the market. That meant minimal changes. Marchionne won that tiny battle; but it was an important battle, as it established a beachhead for FCA for a work van, a market that FCA did not compete in since 2003.

Now that the Ford Transit is here, I am hoping that FCA will 'keep up with the Joneses' and introduce the new front end in 2016.
 

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Hopefully FCA will bring in some updates such as tilt/telescope steering, high idle control, updated and expanded cargo area lighting, maybe some optional tire/wheel packages.
That 9spd ZF licensed transmission might not be capable enough for the GVW requirements, but it would be nice.
As far as that new front end V6 issue, I don't believe it's a fitment deal, it's a cost vs extra sales number issue. They stuck the twin cam wide head 3.6 in the Jeep Wrangler that previously had the old 3.8 ohv engine with no sheet metal changes to the Jeep. This required a bunch of engineering resources as well as all the extra government regs and crash testing required to change it and the transmission. VERY expensive!
The Wrangler went from a 50 to 60k per year sales number to over 100k last year, I believe mostly because of this change. We had a 2010 with the old 3.8 w/4spd, and our 2012 has the 3.6 5spd, a world of difference in driving enjoyment.

Changing to the new front end on the PM will add how many sales to it's already smallish numbers at the cost of having to go through the expensive engineering and crash retesting. Even changing to a tilt/telescope steering column is going to be very expensive for them because of this same issue
 
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