First Impressions of the 2023 from a 2019 and 2014 former owner
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I hear it comes with lots of fire extinguishersI'm wondering how bad the e-Promaster will be?
.Wonderful thread. It’s like the 2024 and the 2025 will probably be perfect. I also feel that the nine speed transmission with its very tall first gear will aid in reliability. Torque stresses are reduced by tall gearing. For me it’s the adaptive cruise. When I saw what Ford dealers are doing with transits in terms of market adjustment, it killed ford for me.
Our van had a $10k MSRP bump, it wasn’t just the Ford dealers. The difference was the PM was on a lot and the Transit was too narrow and 18 months away. If that sucker was 6’ wide I would be rocking a 🐷 faced eco boost with its 500a alternator! I couldn’t justify the wait and higher price and even with Ram’s borderline criminal faults I love driving beep beep.
The Hemi pickup’s name was Tick Tick so I am no stranger to Ram’s quality. Just roll with it and try to enjoy it.
There won’t be an over supply any time soon. GM shut the plant down to keep inventory low and prices high. Desirable vehicles like pickups and cargo vans are still hard to find on dealer lots and manufacturers have an incentive now to keep it that way. The actual cost of a Promaster doubled in 3 model years, that’s not just the CPI.
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Regarding Ford vs RAM, consumer reports put RAM trucks 1st and 2nd in reliability. It’s time to bury the old myths about Dodge. It’s not your Uncles Dodge anymore. Fords are over engineered, unreliable nightmares. Ford admitted they had too many engineers compared to competitors. Implying layoffs were needed.
Lets hope all the new fancy bits offered for 2023 don’t do the same to the Promaster.
Regarding prices, they are easing. There was a $1000 discount to business owners when I took delivery. I did not quality this time. I’m retired. In Orlando RAM trucks are being discounted $7,000 right now.
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Lets hope all the new fancy bits offered for 2023 don’t do the same to the Promaster.
Regarding prices, they are easing. There was a $1000 discount to business owners when I took delivery. I did not quality this time. I’m retired. In Orlando RAM trucks are being discounted $7,000 right now.
Can you provide a link to where that chart came from. Thanks.
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screen shot from my ipad. I have Apple News + subscription giving me access to Consumer Reports online magazine.
I would not put much faith in anything Consumer Reports put out in the last decade or so, if you read it you'll see its basically an advertisement. Also, those "initial quality" surveys and such are junk data if you look at what they are really measuring. I didn't expect out PM to be trouble free from the experience we had with our Ram pickup. I also had a 2012 F250 leave me on the side of the road with 500 miles on it because of a faulty wiring harness. What I can tell you is that Ford was on the ball when it came to service and Ram has taken multiple attempts to fix everything from a tailgate to and exhaust leak. I don't think the Transit is any better than a Promaster, and I chose a PM for the interior room knowing that it was going to have terrible support and I would do it again.
Check out the Ford documentation for the Transit vs the Ram's for a Promaster. One won't even tell you how to connect a B2B charger, the other gives you three ways to do it. Ram has a good product but they have terrible engineering support and dealers. In my experience Ram is getting worse and Ford is getting better on those fronts over the last 10 years.
Check out the Ford documentation for the Transit vs the Ram's for a Promaster. One won't even tell you how to connect a B2B charger, the other gives you three ways to do it. Ram has a good product but they have terrible engineering support and dealers. In my experience Ram is getting worse and Ford is getting better on those fronts over the last 10 years.
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For many years I've checked CR and JD Powers (with a grain of salt) when looking for a new vehicle. Have to agree they are of no use these days other than for basic info like pricing, mpg, etc but that stuff is available elsewhere. A better source may be forums like this one. Checking them for vehicles you're interested in can be time consuming and sure, there will be more negative posts, but they are still a lot more useful identifying problem areas you might encounter, general use, satisfaction, longevity, real world mpg, etc.
Must be Florida. Noticed one dealer is advertising ProMasters with up to 9% discount. Not sure I trust ad because there is so much dishonesty in that specific part of state.
Thanks for reports Dwight, and others’ feedback also, it’s appreciated.
I’m curious if you can tell the difference in how RAM modified the serpentine belt arrangement when they eliminated the power steering pump? What did they do with that space? Is the new belt routed completely different, or did they install an idler where powering steering pump was on your previous two vans? I have wondered if there is space for a second stand-alone small alternator in that location, rather than where aftermarket large 2nd alternators end up.
I don’t believe there is much depth there for an alternator but I had the same thought. I can stick a camera in there when it stops raining.
Thanks. Did they leave a pulley (idler) in same location and routed belt the same as before? If not, it would probably take significant engineering and modifications. Pictures I have seen of new engine did not make this clear.
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yeah Ford documentation and service seems to be much better than RAM from my searching-on matters. Ford Will basically look at any van whereas Ram seems to make a song and dance over it.I would not put much faith in anything Consumer Reports put out in the last decade or so, if you read it you'll see its basically an advertisement. Also, those "initial quality" surveys and such are junk data if you look at what they are really measuring. I didn't expect out PM to be trouble free from the experience we had with our Ram pickup. I also had a 2012 F250 leave me on the side of the road with 500 miles on it because of a faulty wiring harness. What I can tell you is that Ford was on the ball when it came to service and Ram has taken multiple attempts to fix everything from a tailgate to and exhaust leak. I don't think the Transit is any better than a Promaster, and I chose a PM for the interior room knowing that it was going to have terrible support and I would do it again.
Check out the Ford documentation for the Transit vs the Ram's for a Promaster. One won't even tell you how to connect a B2B charger, the other gives you three ways to do it. Ram has a good product but they have terrible engineering support and dealers. In my experience Ram is getting worse and Ford is getting better on those fronts over the last 10 years.
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Where the PS pump would live is now the tensioner. There are a lot of differences on the new generation 3.6l.
On the bright side I smelled coolant leaking on our 2022 while I was under there so that's nice
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Thanks for picture. Looks different than what RAM shows on ProMaster page. The tensioner appears upside down, there’s an extra idler, and whatever was next to firewall (behind engine) is no longer there (maybe, it’s hard for me to see clearly). I assumed that is where power steering pump was before, but never actually looked at it. I meant to look at this area during Tampa RV Super Show but forgot. Thanks again.
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