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is opening in USA when? and will this interrupt PM manufacturing, parts, will they even continue to make PM?
should be picking up PM today, will let you all know how it goes.
 

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I don’t understand what you are asking. Promaster sales topped 40,000 units in just the US last year and the 2017 sales are up 40+% over last January. This is an international vehicle producer like Ford or GM. They have factories in the US, and many other countries. Why would they not keep producing? Do you know something we don’t?
 

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All FCA priorities seem to be going toward running TV ads for the the new Alf Romeo Giulia... starting with about $3 million for the Super Bowl!

Not sure why, they only sold about 1000 cars in the US last year, down 22% from 2015

I think the Promaster is just going to keep on selling well, irritating the competition by showing them how to design a FWD van, and will continue to be made in Mexico. Or.... I may be wrong! ;)

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Got mine today from Courtesy Chrysler In San Juan Capistrano. they just replaced all management and salesmen 2 months ago, with the group of guys i got to deal with today i can say they have a winning formula for their dealership, no pressure sales and I have never laughed in a finance office before today. had a 70 mile drive back in winds and rain gotta say WOW this van is fantastic, the ride, power for this size is unbelievable.
On the FCA topic my understanding is the Mexico plant will be closed down and the USA plant opened. but h$ll I've been wrong before so who knows. Hmmmm if that is the case will their be a production interruption?
 

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I can see no rational reason that would happen. In Satillo FCA builds Ram trucks, engines, Promasters, stamps the panels for many other vehicles. Much of that production goes to Canada, Mexico, and other south of the border countries as well as the US. Lets face it Auto production is a World-wide global business that depends on free trade. The combined pressure of VW, Toyota, Ford, GM, FCA, and about 30 others will be heard. Thousands of auto parts makers ship to Mexico to support that production. Pandora's has opened the box, there is no going back. I too can be wrong but it just doesn’t add up in my mind. I think we all need to take a deep breath and not jump. By the way it’s spelled H£LL. LOL
Congratulations on your new van, you are going to really be happy.
 

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Likely from Mexico plant FCA will also source South America, not many units anyway. In last months production of a previous generation Fiat Ducato and PSA brothers, finished in Brazil.
The italian plant in 2016 run at pratically full capacity,

The Ducato that was manufactured in Brazil looks like the dark blue one.
 

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Got mine today from Courtesy Chrysler In San Juan Capistrano. they just replaced all management and salesmen 2 months ago, with the group of guys i got to deal with today i can say they have a winning formula for their dealership, no pressure sales and I have never laughed in a finance office before today. had a 70 mile drive back in winds and rain gotta say WOW this van is fantastic, the ride, power for this size is unbelievable.
On the FCA topic my understanding is the Mexico plant will be closed down and the USA plant opened. but h$ll I've been wrong before so who knows. Hmmmm if that is the case will their be a production interruption?


Congrats on the new van bobby your gonna love it. As for building them in the USA I would love to see that and all manufacturing done here in the USA I'm from Pittsburgh and first hand seen what losing a major industry does. but most here have bounced back and Pittsburgh still thrives having lost the entire worlds steel industry. About 5 years ago a GM plant a mile from my house closed down and a lot of good people lost good jobs and the steel rolling mill across the street that provided the sheet metal for the parts they stamped may have gone under to if it were not for the gas industry boom in our area. Anytime we lose a major manufacture you not only lose them but often times their suppliers go under. I hope some day we get it all back to the good old USA!
 

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I still have that new van thing going on every time I climb in and out.
Pro Master built in America does have a good ring to it.
 

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Relocating major production facilities is not something that happens overnight and there is a very substantial cost (both one-time, and recurring) associated with doing so. Normally the assembly plant for a particular vehicle model will only change at a time that coincides with a full model redesign that involves a complete re-tooling. If you are doing a complete re-tool then it doesn't matter where that tooling gets shipped to. If you are relocating for the simple purpose of relocating (no good reason) it's a pure sunk cost (and a big one), and the auto manufacturers don't like doing that.

I work with suppliers to the auto industry. It almost hardly matters where a final assembly plant happens to be. The parts destined for that plant are coming from all over the world. That's the way this business works nowadays. A good many vehicles that Americans like buying, are assembled in Mexico (and in Canada). The ProMaster van is a tiny piece of the whole. Don't forget that those Mexicans and Canadians are buying stuff that comes from the USA, too, and you can't just have it one way without the other.

Regardless of noises emanating from politicians, regardless of whether it was a good thing to include Mexico in NAFTA or not many years ago, that is now water under the bridge, cannot be unwound overnight, and an attempt to do so would be perilous. I'll leave the discussion at that for fear of getting further into politics than I already have.
 

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I was Under the impression that FCA said they were opening in USA and closing Mexico, as for the reason of it I don't care, politics, taxes, crimewave, the moon rising in sagitarius, none of that takes away from FCA said were moving to USA, remember this is not political just PM curiosity.?
 

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I've heard no such thing and I'm in the industry, and I've seen the scale of automotive manufacturing in Saltillo (it isn't just FCA; GM has a huge assembly plant in the next town and many major suppliers are in the area as well). That isn't going to get uprooted and relocated - it just isn't going to happen. Disregard anything that comes out of the mouth of a politician ... If someone imposes a "border tax" all it's going to mean is that US consumers will pay more ...

The location of final assembly for individual models can get shuffled around coinciding with model redesigns. I know FCA needs to put a product into the Sterling Heights MI plant (which had been making the Chrysler 200, which was a failure in the marketplace). Within the next couple of years, the Jeep Wrangler, Ram pickup trucks, and Cherokee are all getting makeovers. Ram pickups are apparently going to Sterling Heights. The ProMaster vans will stay put until the next redesign - at which point, who knows. Fiat doesn't change the Ducato very often ... but this generation has been around since 2008.
 

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If NAFTA is at risk of being modified and/or canceled the one issue that may come up with the Promaster is the especially high import taxes that apply to cargo vans coming to the U.S. I know Ford gets around these by shipping their little Transit vans to the U.S with rear passenger seats and then stripping them out once they're here. I won't get into the politics of it (Since it's not allowed on here), but as someone that grew up and still lives in the heart of U.S automotive industry I'd love to see final assembly of the Promaster moved stateside.
 

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Sure it would be great. The building of the machines for the factory and the super highly skilled programers are still apt to be in India, Sweden, or Germany though. Look at what a modern factory looks like and count the jobs being done there. Even the delivery vehicles are be autonomously driven and unloaded. We are facing a worker crisis I know. The answer is get skilled or get poor. I hope this can be seen as NOT political as I want us to think about what the term return jobs to America means. Its not your father’s Detroit. Lets push education and skills training and keep America on track.

 

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I still have that new van thing going on every time I climb in and out.
Pro Master built in America does have a good ring to it.
Your Promaster was built in America look at the new world map.
 

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Hehe ... Take a look at this.

https://www.google.ca/maps/search/fca+saltillo/@25.2616936,-101.1154611,2631m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

"FCA Planta Ensamble Saltillo Van" is where your van came from. And mine.

There are a whooooole bunch of them parked in that huge lot just north of the assembly plant.

If your van has a gas engine, the engine came from Saltillo South Engine Plant to the left of this screen.

Santa Monica Industrial Park to the right of the van plant contains suppliers. Magneti Marelli, Johnson Controls. Lots more.
 
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