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With previous campers using a cross mounted bed, I don't recall ever sleeping with head facing curb side (passenger side), always street side.
Not sure why but always ended that way.

Do some here sleep with head towards curb ? Did it make any difference as far as sleep comfort?

My only concern is that when parking on a city street next to curb, I expect a slight street drainage slope towards curb.
I imaging a slight negative incline when parked like that will lead to an uncomfortable night. On flat surfaces should not make a difference.

Asking because we are exploring a change in our floorplan that will require changing sleep position and am sure we will be parked on city streets a lot more than in the past.

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Build in a bed tilt like those folks with GERD have to have.
 

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After almost 3 years curbside, we recently switched to street side. We have always slept in the same positions relative to each other (MrNomer to my left) and this switch puts me to the rear where it's cooler, plus a better view out the rear. The switch was stupidly simple--we just rotated the mattress, bedding and all. 15 seconds? We've never slept on a city street.
 

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With previous campers using a cross mounted bed, I don't recall ever sleeping with head facing curb side (passenger side), always street side.
Not sure why but always ended that way.

Do some here sleep with head towards curb ? Did it make any difference as far as sleep comfort?

My only concern is that when parking on a city street next to curb, I expect a slight street drainage slope towards curb.
I imaging a slight negative incline when parked like that will lead to an uncomfortable night. On flat surfaces should not make a difference.
I'd suggest considering the ability to switch sides depending on inclination of the van. Neither of us are fans of negative incline sleeping, so we ensure the van is slightly off level in one direction or the other, then rearrange pillows and duvet accordingly.

What is your design that requires sleeping in only one direction?
 

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I'd suggest considering the ability to switch sides depending on inclination of the van. Neither of us are fans of negative incline sleeping, so we ensure the van is slightly off level in one direction or the other, then rearrange pillows and duvet accordingly.

What is your design that requires sleeping in only one direction?
That's a sensible idea.

For the OP: When I was thinking of sleeping crosswise, I was planning to have my head curbside. The reason: safety. I figured if I was asleep and someone rammed into my van while parked (assuming I'm street parking), I didn't want my head to be on the street side. My feet, sure. Head, no. Paranoia? Possibly.

By the way, I no longer plan to sleep crosswise. My current thinking is bed front-to-back, but again for reasons of crash-worthiness, the bed will be curbside.
 

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I have a suggestion : Skip replying to my posts. I am trying to keep a positive attitude here.
I have a better suggestion - start thinking before posting such questions!

Did it ever occur to you that you can sleep in eith direction by simply making the bed up the other way? Did it ever occur to you that many cities have one way streets and you might have to park on the left side of the street? Has it ever crossed your mind that if you are parking in a spot that is so noisy, dangerous and/or uneven that perhaps, just perhaps, you should find a better spot to park?

Having a positive attitude also means not asking simple, foolish questions before taking even a second to figure out the obvious answer and solution.
 

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To each his own, but I’m puzzled by the crop of urban stealth camping plans of late and all the security and other seemingly unnecessary concerns they bring. Plain old camper van folks would avoid unsafe situations altogether and park in better more isolated and comfortable locations like a campground or BLM land or if necessary a Walmart or casino lot or truck or rest stop or friend’s driveway. The beauty of a van is it’s small enough to drive into towns or cities and doesn’t require much camp breaking or camp setting time.

I did my share of semi stealth urban camping in my college days in a pickup, and I’ll let you in on a little secret that you’ll eventually discover in most vanlife video series— vanlife sucks! At least the extended urban kind. But somehow I know some of you want to do it anyway and discover this for yourselves.

It’s like we’re Groucho and we want to tell you the ‘doctor doctor it hurts when I do this— then don’t do that!’ joke, but you’re Woody Allen and only want hear the ‘doctor my brother’s crazy he thinks he’s a chicken’ joke. The punchline, if you haven’t heard it is, ‘why don’t you get him treated? We need the eggs.’ Believe me these are eggs you don’t need that badly.
 

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This whole idea of "stealth" camping has long passed it time. You are 100% correct Ziggy! Anyone who really believes they are getting away with fooling anyone with their so called stealth look is living in a bubble.
 

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There is a good reason why sleep position will not easily change once decision made.

I recently sold a brand new 21ft comfortable travel trailer opting for a van once again.
We no longer want to camp nor stay at campgrounds if it can be avoided. Did that for decades. In retirement we want to explore north america not barbeque under an awning. There are exceptions like great national parks.

You immediately assumed we will be urban campers, extended no less - WRONG.
We will tour not camp. We hope to enjoy visiting communities and events as we travel. We are well versed with Walmart, truck stops, rest areas with safe rating and casino sleep overs. We do that all the time because all we need after a day traveling, engaging locals and photographing people and places, is get a good night's rest quietly leaving at sunrise.

When I built a van back in the 70s, we used quiet residential areas to sleep over when nothing else was available. It's not my first choice but neither is a campground.
Why would you even assume we will be "setting camp" in a residential neighborhood? Become urban campers! That's ridiculous.
You coast in late at night and sleep, same as a highway rest stop minus the noise and danger.

Some here are predispositioned to speak without knowing the facts behind OPs post. Don't need condescending "advice".
One way streets are a rarity in quiet, safe residential neighborhoods. Last one I saw was in a large busy, metropolitan area that we would never consider anyway.
Negative people assumed we are not smart enough to recognize a bad, noisy unsafe area when we see it - WRONG.

Our on the go travel plan for sleep overs is to use Walmarts, truck stops, rest areas, casinos, friends driveway/curb parking.
As in the past - quiet, safe residential neighborhoods are game. After 9pm they are basically deserted and well lit. Only small problem is their varying drainage slope towards curb. That was not a problem in the past because our campers back then did not have a cross mounted bed. It was not a problem with this van until we started thinking of making a design change. We might stick with original plan. Will know after van sits on our driveway in a few days as it finally arrived !

I am disappointed to see that by posting here one can be accused of not thinking.
Other times accused of over thinking or stressing out when pondering something new.
God forbid one plans more than expected by some here and tries to think things through.

Whatever happened to patience and understanding towards new builders ?
Why so much "I did it this way so will you" attitude.
We all think and see things differently.
 

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I am disappointed to see that by posting here one can be accused of not thinking.
Other times accused of over thinking or stressing out when pondering something new.
God forbid one plans more than expected by some here and tries to think things through.

Whatever happened to patience and understanding towards new builders ?
Why so much "I did it this way so will you" attitude.
We all think and see things differently.
Yup. There are a couple of long time, valuable contributors who get a bit cranky. Frankly, I have a couple of ideas that they would hate - so I'm not vetting them here. Don't let them get to you. And, don't always ignore their advice. ;)
 

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Your travel style is similar to mine, sleep where ever you are at bedtime, sometimes it is in the middle of nowhere, but often it is in a small town or a big city. I have a low profile, stealth setup and basically can park anywhere. Much prefer a quiet city street to a highway rest area or a Wally World lot. There is a big difference between camping, traveling and full-time van living. Some don't understand the difference.
When I am traveling, I park and sleep, I do not set up camp.

I sleep with my head to the curb/driver's side. I set up like this because it puts pillows and open end of bed slightly recessed behind galley and the foot of the bed is accessible for daytime use. City streets are rarely level. Only a few times has the slope been enough to reverse position, usually not noticeable. Had considered building in some type of bed leveling system, but so far it just has not been an issue.
 

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For us it's all a matter of Feng Shui :D

Actually, our beds are parallel to the curb. Haven't done a city street overnight, but the curb and crown effect might come into play... so far, we park so that it doesn't feel like we're going to roll out of bed( sideways)

If I was sleeping on city streets, I think I would sleep head to curb side.... in case someone misses our rather large van and hits it, I'd rather have my head farther away from the probable scene of the accident. I have driven by houses that have a bedroom within 8' of the curb...don't know how they sleep at night!

Even in campgrounds the level is not always perfect. Our solution is to sleep with our heads on the higher end... works out most of the time.

On our last overnight trip, we stayed in a hotel (Homewood Suites).... I noticed that their parking lot would have made a perfect overnight parking/sleeping spot. They didn't ask for out vehicle info or plates... no one would have cared. As long as we parked and slept without cooking, interior lighting, etc., I think we would have blended in.

Discussed a long while back here, I think there would be a market for hotels to provide a few reserved spots for Class B campers... length limited. If they offered a standard parking space, (no outdoor camping activities, no awnings, no cooking, etc.,) and an AC outlet, I'd gladly pay half price at some of the locations we stay. Especially if they threw in a free breakfast!

ps. Cabela's looks like a good place for an overnighter...and it's OK with them.
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I love that Feng Shui, it’s number 27 at our favorite place.

Santiago, I am one of those curmudgeons here and if you give little for background and suggest something that seems less than well thought out I will respond thinking what appears to be so, is so. Part of why I might appear a curmudgeon is low tolerance for every wild @$$ suggestion or question. The poster has the responsibility to frame the question and accept that some responders will still think you are far off base. There are really no evil posters here.
Stick around, don’t get to insulted and continue to be an advocate for yourself. It will be fine.

Most of your responce was really helpfull but:
"Why would you even assume we will be "setting camp" in a residential neighborhood? Become urban campers! That's ridiculous." (You said you would be.)
"Don't need condescending "advice”." (If you post you will get advice, it’s not condescending if the responder thinks you don’t know)
"Negative people assumed we are not smart enough to recognize a bad, noisy unsafe area when we see it - WRONG.”" (We don’t know what you do or don’t know. Advice can be negative about something like this without tagging the responder as negative.)

Welcome to the forum. Can we go forward like peoples' intentions are generally good here?
 

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With previous campers using a cross mounted bed, I don't recall ever sleeping with head facing curb side (passenger side), always street side.
Not sure why but always ended that way.

Do some here sleep with head towards curb ? Did it make any difference as far as sleep comfort?

My only concern is that when parking on a city street next to curb, I expect a slight street drainage slope towards curb.
I imaging a slight negative incline when parked like that will lead to an uncomfortable night. On flat surfaces should not make a difference.

Asking because we are exploring a change in our floorplan that will require changing sleep position and am sure we will be parked on city streets a lot more than in the past.

Santiago
For us there's no question that if there's going to be a slight incline it's better to have the head "up" on what is usually the driver's side. As well, if on a typical public street (we'll ASSUME it's not a one way) sleeping with your head on the driver's side gives a view to the "sidewalk side" where, if trouble is going to come, it's more likely to come from that side, so to me it feels more secure.

As for the 'are you serious' question, this is, in my opinion, a time when a mod needs to take the classic mod advice of 'if you don't have something to add, move on to the next thread'. Sometimes a moderator needs some moderating, and I find it unhelpful to mock a valuable contributor who is simply trying to use this Forum for its ostensible purpose: to discuss, learn, and contribute, which Santiago has done admirably. Nearly every topic has been brought up before; people come here to address what they feel is their unique question, in their own way. F-o-r-u-m.

Sure, the word stealth is overused, but I find it condescending to pass judgement on another person's use of their PROMASTER van.
 

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In our Promaster we sleep crosswise at the rear with heads curbside. We have a full-width clothes hanging closet 14 inches above the foot of the bed—ample for foot room, but not for headroom. If curbside is a little low, we add a pillow or two. If even lower, we will be leveling up anyway (for the absorption-type fridge).
 

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For us there's no question that if there's going to be a slight incline it's better to have the head "up" on what is usually the driver's side. As well, if on a typical public street (we'll ASSUME it's not a one way) sleeping with your head on the driver's side gives a view to the "sidewalk side" where, if trouble is going to come, it's more likely to come from that side, so to me it feels more secure.

As for the 'are you serious' question, this is, in my opinion, a time when a mod needs to take the classic mod advice of 'if you don't have something to add, move on to the next thread'. Sometimes a moderator needs some moderating, and I find it unhelpful to mock a valuable contributor who is simply trying to use this Forum for its ostensible purpose: to discuss, learn, and contribute, which Santiago has done admirably. Nearly every topic has been brought up before; people come here to address what they feel is their unique question, in their own way. F-o-r-u-m.

Sure, the word stealth is overused, but I find it condescending to pass judgement on another person's use of their PROMASTER van.
Come on Dave (and Santiago) This is a question that a fourth grader could answer with no difficulty! When I said "Are you serious?" I meant it This whole thread is absolutely nonsense and especially Santiago's reasoning for making the post originally.

If an adult has to publicly ask people which way his head should face in his van while sleeping (anywhere, anytime) something is seriously wrong and it's not the moderator for pointing it out.

How about some common sense? How about wasting other forum members time asking foolish questions? Next some people will be asking if they should put their pants on before their shirt or vice versa or better still should i put a pillow under my head when i go to sleep at night and cover myself up with a warm blankie?

There are a few people here (and only a very few) that seem to have no idea how life works and need to constantly seek advice for even the simplest most obvious procedures. When they are enlightened they call foul and say people are picking on them.

I'm sorry, if you are going to ask dumb, stupid questions you have to be prepared for the answers whether you like them or not.

Condescending is expecting others to listen to and put up with nonsense because they are too lazy to think for themselves.

This thread has been beaten to death like a dead horse and should never have been posted in the first place and since it's obvious it's only going to go down hill I'm closing it to future posts by everyone.
 
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