[akrogers]

So it looks like the US Justice Dept. has filed suit against FCA on it diesel emissions. The press accounts don't call out the Promaster. Is it fair to assume the 3.0 L Eco-diesel is included? See..
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...t-against-fiat-chrysler-over-diesel-emissions

 

[Zyzzyx]

I suspect the PM diesel is not part of it. It does get confusing, as the 3.0L EcoDiesel is the V-6 engine. However, I believe the 3.0L V6 and our 3.0L I4 are both from Volto Motori (VM), engine supplier for FIAT.

I do love my diesel, and while I don't worry about problems now, I do worry about problems in 10 years, trying to get repairs on an oddball orphaned engine.

 

[akrogers]

I hope you're right. The last thing I want is a fix on what works flawlessly. I too wonder about service down the road with such a small total population of I 4's

 

[phil]

Go straight to the source and stop guessing, the DOJ press release states the vehicles involved.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/unit...at-chrysler-automobiles-alleged-clean-air-act

from the Complaint filed by the US

73. The Subject Vehicles are the following models which are equipped
with an EcoDiesel V6 engine: Model Year 2014 Ram 1500, Model Year 2015 Ram
1500, Model Year 2016 Ram 1500, Model Year 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee, Model
Year 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee, and Model Year 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee.

 

[Zyzzyx]

Good point.

73. The Subject Vehicles are the following models which are equipped
with an EcoDiesel V6 engine: Model Year 2014 Ram 1500, Model Year 2015 Ram
1500, Model Year 2016 Ram 1500, Model Year 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee, Model
Year 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee, and Model Year 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee.

74. The Subject Vehicles are also identified by the following EPA test
groups: ECRXT03.05PV (Model Year 2014 Ram 1500 and Jeep Grand Cherokee);
FCRXT03.05PV (Model Year 2015 Ram 1500 and Jeep Grand Cherokee); and
GCRXT03.05PV (Model Year 2016 Ram 1500 and Jeep Grand Cherokee).

 

[akrogers]

Thanks Phil, looks like Zyzzyx is right, at least until some other shoe drops.

 

[phil]

My numbers show Jeep had sold 9761 diesels in those 3 years.

I didn't realized that Ram sold that many diesel 1500s.

 

[MJAB]

VM Motori is since end of 2013 100% owned by FCA.
Before it had 50% and the other 50% was owned by GM.

The Promaster F1C diesel engine is from FPT Industrial, that is part of CNH Industrial (Case New Holland industrial).
CNH Industrial is the result of a demerge from Fiat group that rook place in 2011/2012.

The same F1C engine is used in Mitsubishi Fuso Canter in U.S.A., known as 4P10 engine.

Since last year the F1C is not used in Fiat Ducato, replaced by a more powerful version of the smaller F1A engine (same family, but different injectors, EGR, turbocharger, ...). F1C is still used by IVECO (part of CNH Industrial) for the Daily, military vehicles (IVECO LMV and others) plus in stationary applications.
There is also a maritime version named S30.

 

[KilWerBzz]

Don't forget Germany filed suit against Fiat in the EU court for emission standards. I thought Germany was very lenient for the car companies. They had called all car manufacturers to the table and were told their cars do not meet standards and to quietly fix them. Of course Fiat was not there.

 

[KilWerBzz]

Is Ford going to out last diesel gate GM just got a class action for up to 700,000 vehicles filed against them.