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Looking for advice / knowledge on the Promaster Cargo drivers seat.
I was wondering if it is possible to use a bench sofa bed as the front seat? Is this legal or even possible?
I have seen some nice sofa benches that supposedly work for the Promaster. Is this only for passenger space? Are there different safety rules for the front seat?
Here’s what I’m looking at:
http://www.discountvantruck.com/Promastersofabeds/Promastersofas.htm

I want 3 seats up front without closing off to the back, and would also like to work a guest bed into my conversion.
I have seen the double seat on a swivel option which may be my next resort if the sofa bench driver seat isn’t possible..

Any info is helpful! Thank you
 

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The chance of that seat bolting in the right places up front is about -1%. In back you have acres of flat, relatively unobstructed real estate. The cab is a twisty curvy lumpy jungle.

I didn’t think the double bench seat could swivel, but apparently it can. https://www.promasterforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86523

I don’t see how you would pass to the rear with either of those options.
 

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I don’t think it’s a good idea. The seats are wired into the van in several ways and have integral airbags. One reason we went with a van was our desire to pull into a campsite or parking lot on a rainy night after a long day and walk between the seats and camp. In the short run it may seem like a trivial thing but in the long run it is so much better! Add a seat behind the driver if you need another passenger space.
 

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I mentioned this in another post, I also wanted to have the capacity to legally/road safety wise be able to seat 4 and also work in another bed into my build. I landed on this https://www.smart-beds.com/. Be aware that they are ridiculously expensive especially compared to any of the other options as they are sold through a distributor and you have to pay international shipping/tarrifs on it.
 

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The chance of that seat bolting in the right places up front is about -1%. In back you have acres of flat, relatively unobstructed real estate. The cab is a twisty curvy lumpy jungle.

I didn’t think the double bench seat could swivel, but apparently it can. https://www.promasterforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86523

I don’t see how you would pass to the rear with either of those options.
I could swivel around and then get up and walk to the back then, right?
My idea with the bench to sofa bed is at least it would lay flat in the bed position when I’m parked and not make the front of the cab feel closed off.
 

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I mentioned this in another post, I also wanted to have the capacity to legally/road safety wise be able to seat 4 and also work in another bed into my build. I landed on this https://www.smart-beds.com/. Be aware that they are ridiculously expensive especially compared to any of the other options as they are sold through a distributor and you have to pay international shipping/tarrifs on it.
Thank you! Yes I have seen quite a few of these with seat belts and would be happy to purchase one, it just need to know if it’ll mount to the front seats and if that is legal.. I assume you use yours as a second row seat?
 

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I don’t think it’s a good idea. The seats are wired into the van in several ways and have integral airbags. One reason we went with a van was our desire to pull into a campsite or parking lot on a rainy night after a long day and walk between the seats and camp. In the short run it may seem like a trivial thing but in the long run it is so much better! Add a seat behind the driver if you need another passenger space.
Right, I definitely don’t want to lose this option but I do want 3 person seating capacity. My dog is super uncomfortable in the van and acts scared. He normally loves cars but he has been sitting in between the seats with his head in my lap because he doesn’t like the single bucket seat, how far away it is and the small amount of space he has to lay in it. Sounds silly but I’m trying to find a solution for that. He goes every where with me! There is no travel for me without him. And like I said I still need to work in a guest bed for when my grandmother goes with me.
 

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It wont mount! No replacement front seat will meet the safety specifications unless specifically referenced to this vehicle and I doubt you can find that short of the double passenger seat for this van. Even as a second row seat the mounting is not likely to be “legal” unless an upfitter with specialized engineering installs it. There are other ideas for having extra sleeping spaces in the van if you use the search. CES has an L shaped set of bunks, KeepOnVaning has over/under bunks which could be enlarged, there are more. The front of the van could have a folding platform when both seats are swiveled that is normally stored for one or perhaps for two. All those seem easier/safer/more insurable than changing out the front seats, and more practical too. I’ve ridden in a van on one of those white resin chairs so I may be the wrong person to comment, however my wife was badly hurt this year by an emergency stop where she was not properly buckled in the back of the van. That scared me enough to stop such stupidity.

Our JRT loves riding in the passenger seat. Dogs are adaptable and the separation may be the only issue not fear. How about a platform between the eats that could fold away to let you pass when the van was not moving.

BTW it is hard to suggest as you are changing the issues. Perhaps a full disclosure about the van use would help us. I feel like we are working over time without a clear set of criteria.
 

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It would not be difficult to assemble an easily disassembled/moved dog place between the seats or incorporating both the seat and the space between. A made-to-fit soft duffel full of soft things like clothes or linen? Double duty.

Put swivels on both front seats. When swiveled, the seat backs are near the windshield, making the cab part of the living space—not closed off at all. Lots of photos here on the forum. Even if you found a bench that swiveled, you would not be able to swivel it or the driver seat while sitting in it. As a woman traveling alone, I consider the ability to keep the doors locked a critical safety issue.

Bed for grandma is a minor issue easily addressed. Even in my completed 136”, if I needed another bed I could make one. For example, when the front seats are swiveled, a bed could fit over their bases.

RD is correct. We can help you more efficiently if we know what your goals are. And as many of us have learned, articulating the goals is a critical early step. Bear in mind, though, as many of us have also learned, goals can morph. You just have to start somewhere.
 

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MsNomer and RD, I really appreciate your insight and ideas. I’m sorry I wasn’t clear with my intentions! I really just wanted to know the options for 3 person seating up front and if my vision of a sofa bed up there was possible. I’m still pretty young agile and had no problem with the idea of climbing up over the seat when payed flat in bed position, to get to the front or back.
But it sounds like a sofa bed up front is not possible and that’s what I needed to know..

Someone should invent this and make a killing! Ha.
Thank you
 

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... there is at least one commercial upfitter (you know like Pleasure Way) that have a floorplan that converts the front swivel seat and other supports into a bed - I think perhaps more for children... unable to recall though which brand /model it actually is...

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One other point we didn’t mention. Even with your larger van, space will be at a premium—though right now it links like a cavern. Every half inch will matter. That bench seat you referenced is big and puffy. Our PM seats are lean for good reason—yet comfy. Keep this in mind whatever you are considering.
 

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MsNomer and RD, I really appreciate your insight and ideas. I’m sorry I wasn’t clear with my intentions! I really just wanted to know the options for 3 person seating up front and if my vision of a sofa bed up there was possible. I’m still pretty young agile and had no problem with the idea of climbing up over the seat when payed flat in bed position, to get to the front or back.
But it sounds like a sofa bed up front is not possible and that’s what I needed to know..

Someone should invent this and make a killing! Ha.
Thank you
If you could sketch out a rough floor plan and post that you might get some more ideas. Im not sure I totally follow what you are attempting to achieve.

I agree with RD around the “legal” seat, however my assumption is one of the seat occupants is your dog. Im not sure of the vehicle laws in your area, but 2 legal factory seats for you & grandma & maybe a seat(ish) structure for your “best friend” is legal?

Our dog goes everywhere with us also (albeit Rocket is only 9lbs)
 

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I was thinking the same thing as @MsNomer . Fashioning some sort of moveable seat for your dog that you could put in between the seats or something. That way your grandma could still sit in the passenger seat when she goes with you.

An idea for a guest bed that I have in mind for my own van as well is to have two seats on either side of the van, facing each other, with a table that slides out from under the lifted bed. So two people can sit facing each other at the table while eating, etc. Then at night, you can either use the tabletop, or another right sized piece of plywood to bridge the gap between the seats to make a bed. Add another seat cushion, a blanket and pillow and voila: a bed.
 

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Selling or willing to Trade: 2 seater factory brand passenger seat - make us an offer!

For trade - looking to get a single factory brand passenger seat from 2015 or newer in the same shape as our bench seat.

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